Tae Kwon Do annoyingness

[mmmmajor]

Hey, so I know I haven't posted on the forum in forever, but the wild inconsistency of TKD has really gotten to me. I see very little correlation between the speed reports given for each ram, and the speed I'm actually going. Often I'll be bhing very fast and then do a TKD jump against someone at point blank range and get like a 400-500 speed ram, while other times I get the exact same speed just normally walking without doing the ram at all! And then sometimes I get wildly high or low speeds for seemingly no reason. The speed calculation used to be totally cool but now I never have any idea how much damage it's going to do when I ram someone. Okay rant over...
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[Pulseczar]

Hmm.. there's a command that let's you view your speed in most clients, I think. Maybe you can use that to try to verify TKD's speed reading, unless it's already obvious to you that its reading is off.

[phrosty]

iirc TKD was modified to have speed relative to what you hit, so that could account for it.

[Pulseczar]

Does it now take into account the other player's speed and direction or something? Like, if a player bumps into you really fast when you bump into them, do you do more damage than you would if that player was still? Or if you bump into a player who is moving the same direction you are relatively quickly, do you do less damage to that player than you would if that player was still?

[Slicer]

Yeah, I pointed this out on another thread, no one noticed.

I think the timing of when it determines speed is messed up. Maybe it's counting AFTER the actual push-hit. I've delivered a speed ZERO kick before...

[Shaka]

[Slicer]

The speed 0 hit was when I had kicked someone who was already in a corner. He had nowhere to go and didn't move, and after the hit, I wasn't moving either.

I can't help but think that maybe it's NOT actually taking the previous frame and is instead using the current one (after the 'collision', but before the TKD push effect).

I don't know. I think a spot of testing might scrub it out. Get a dummy player (Cuff would be perfect for this) and do some kicks, with and without them being next to a wall.

[The-Gizmo]

When the player touch function gets called when two players touch, the velocity is bugged, the velocity for both players is always '0 0 0' in that touch function whether or not it really is or not (sliding against the player, aka still moving). So if it reports your velocity as zero when it's not, then it's possible there's a bug in TKD.

Entity touch functions have much better touch functions, even though their touch function is called _before_ the velocity changes from impact (which is why caltrops require special code to make them lay flat), go figure.

[Shaka]

[The-Gizmo]

[Slicer]

A soldier ran into me recently. He wasn't moving very fast. I kinda hit him head on, but wasn't leaping.

BAAAMMMM 1727 speed kick. There's no way our combined speeds reached that. Is there just a typo in there somewhere? Some sort of miscalculation from client-side speed determinations?

I can't figure it out. It seems really, totally, random. Are you sure it's based on the direction the person is MOVING instead of FACING? Are you using the same math for speed calculations you were before, assuming a leaping TKD and a standing opponent? Because it doesn't feel like "the old system but with actual vector calculations". It feels like unmitigated chaos.

Looks like I'm going to have to teach myself Quake C to take a crack at figuring out what the hell is actually going on here..

And by the way, the autoteam system is also hosed. "User has joined Team 1" and then "User has joined Team 2" right afterwards.. with no user input.. and prompting the 30 second teamswitch.

[Slicer]

Also, there's some WEIRD death messages involved with TKD, especially when one TKDist kills another through it, like the last-used weapon of one of the two. Sometimes psionic death messages are included even when there's no psion in the game.

[Shaka]